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Default The War in Iraq.

It has been over six years since the invasion of Iraq, and since then both economic costs and costs in terms of loss of life have been increasingly large. The official reason for the war was due to weapons of mass destruction, however it has been mentioned by some that oil was a secondary if not primary motive for going to war. As Westerners we are forced to rely on the middle East for oil, and are forced to pay through our noses for oil by the Organization of Petroleum-Exporting Countries (OPEC). If influence was obtained over Iraqi oil fields huge economic benefits seemed likely. Although many condemn the war, it is certainly true that atrocities were being comitted by Saddam, Below is a quote from Gordon Brown which justifies New Labours decision to go to war.

"We should not forget that Saddam had used weapons of mass destruction against his own people, and that resolution 1441, which listed the weapons of mass destruction believed to be in Iraq, as agreed unanimously by the UN Security Council, made clear that compliance this time had to be full, unconditional and immediate."

So was war the right decision? Should we have pulled out earlier? And were the atrocities comitted by Saddam much worse than Iraqi civillian death counts?

Personally I can condone going to war in this case, but we have been there too long and one too many young Brits have been taken down by a roadside bomb and other forms of guerila warfare.
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more iraqis have died in the six years america/bandwagon has been there than the entire time saddam was in power (unless those figures i saw were bullshit)

they've admitteed to knowing that they thought there probably wasn't going to be any weapons of mass destructions, and it became fucking apparent he didn't have any else he would of used them.

war was for oil, woulda been more economic to use the money to research different fuel sources
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False accusations. Illegal war. Innocent deaths.

The Iraq war was a terrible idea.
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False accusations. Illegal war. Innocent deaths.

The Iraq war was a terrible idea.
Agree completely, a war in which these horrible "far right people" would of never of put us in.
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All to fill the pockets of inept politicians both sides of the Atlantic. Well done labour.
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i hate the fact my opinion is shared by teh trolls
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i hate the fact my opinion is shared by teh trolls
Your a lefty, your people supported and caused this war.

Whoppers.
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Your a lefty, your people supported and caused this war.

Whoppers.
I think you're getting confused. New Labour is not a left-wing party, they are very much in the centre. So, don't start all this bullshit comparing far-right and far-left notions and ideologies in relation to this matter because it doesn't have any relevance, purely because political parties with such leanings were not in power when Iraq was invaded.

I also don't appreciate being called a whopper, especially by someone like yourself.
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That's a bite and a half..

Labour are a centre left party, they have left ideas.. The left are evil.

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That's a bite and a half..

Labour are a centre left party, they have left ideas.. The left are evil.

Whopper.
Well done. However, I seem to remember Tony Blair being a politican adhering to the political position of the third way, as is Gordon Brown. Now, if I remember correctly, that's a political ideology that fuses both left and right ideas.

What type of economy do we live under right now? A capitalist economy? Yes, yes we do. I seem to remember that being an economic system of the right, but I could just be mistaken. Don't be a complete idiot and base your entire opinion on new labour because they aren't a true left wing party. Condeming labour and some of it's policies would be like condemning your own political side.

I do agree with you though, the left are evil. As is the right. Infact, any extreme wing of the political spectrum is evil. So is any political party or system in between that. Politics is evil and they are corrupt as one another.
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Well done. However, I seem to remember Tony Blair being a politican adhering to the political position of the third way, as is Gordon Brown. Now, if I remember correctly, that's a political ideology that fuses both left and right ideas.

What type of economy do we live under right now? A capitalist economy? Yes, yes we do. I seem to remember that being an economic system of the right, but I could just be mistaken. Don't be a complete idiot and base your entire opinion on new labour because they aren't a true left wing party. Condeming labour and some of it's policies would be like condemning your own political side.

I do agree with you though, the left are evil. As is the right. Infact, any extreme wing of the political spectrum is evil. So is any political party or system in between that. Politics is evil and they are corrupt as one another.
To be honest, agree with that last part.. One thing thats quite amusing is alot of the BNP's votes on thursday came from Old Labour voters
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I do agree that it was wrong.

But I also think that hindsight is a wonderful thing, y'know?
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I do agree that it was wrong.

But I also think that hindsight is a wonderful thing, y'know?
Aye, that's why the BNP were against it from the beginning.

Evil Evil Left.
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That's a bite and a half..

Labour are a centre left party, they have left ideas.. The left are evil.

Whopper.
actually i don't support any goverment, none have done a perfect job yet.
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actually i don't support any goverment, none have done a perfect job yet.
Thatcher did alright.
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i wish britain would stop getting involved makng it worse.
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Thatcher did alright.
no goverment will ever be perfect so i don't really have any strong support for any.
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no goverment will ever be perfect so i don't really have any strong support for any.
You can't vote anyway so it don't matter really.
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You can't vote anyway so it don't matter really.
this thread wasn't about who can vote and who can't, can still give an opinion.

besides given my previous comments it's quite apparent i wouldn't actually vote anyway?
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this thread wasn't about who can vote and who can't, can still give an opinion.

besides given my previous comments it's quite apparent i wouldn't actually vote anyway?
Obviously blood nut, that's why I said it's irrelevant because you can't vote anyway
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Obviously blood nut, that's why I said it's irrelevant because you can't vote anyway
well no.........it's not?
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well no.........it's not?
Yes it is, the fact you "wouldnt vote" means fuck all because you can't vote can you, when those ginger crab holders(the name for my pubes cause i was diagnosed with terminal crabs) start to grow around your floppy norris(what i call my one inch wonder) you can go to a polling station and vote, oh no you don't want to do you, well better still.. Wish death on people on an internet forum.
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Yes it is, the fact you "wouldnt vote" means fuck all because you can't vote can you, when those ginger crab holders start to grow around your floppy norris you can go to a polling station and vote, oh no you don't want to do you, well better still.. Wish death on people on an internet forum.
i see what you did there. you're implying i can't grow pubes at the age of 16.


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the brits should never of been there in the first place. just like many other countries they have occupied
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The only real reason for the war was the oil

Proof:

Two reasons were given as why the war went ahead

1) Weapons of Mass Destruction

This has been proven wrong as these have never been found
Why?
Because there never were any

2) We have saved Iraq from the 'Tyrant' Sadam Hussain

If we wanted to save these people why dont we do it for North Korea, China, Many African Countries etc
North Korea is more of a threat than Iraq but we haven't gone to war with them

The american military/government are controlling idiots who want to control the world
Don't believe the media bullshiz that they spew out
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The only real reason for the war was the oil

Proof:

Two reasons were given as why the war went ahead

1) Weapons of Mass Destruction

This has been proven wrong as these have never been found
Why?
Because there never were any

2) We have saved Iraq from the 'Tyrant' Sadam Hussain

If we wanted to save these people why dont we do it for North Korea, China, Many African Countries etc
North Korea is more of a threat than Iraq but we haven't gone to war with them

The american military/government are controlling idiots who want to control the world
Don't believe the media bullshiz that they spew out
Because they control that as well
every last word is true.

also, did you know that halliburton (oil company) practically own the oilfields out there.. and guess who is involved at top level (indirectly)... BUSH.
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The only reason we don't invade countries like Zimbabwe is because they have no oil.

There's nothing in it for us.
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